I wasn’t denigrating HOW, I was elevating MM. I don’t think I’m so odd really, having different if weirdly conflicting taste in television. I read all the available info about how he wanted to leave HOW– chiefly because the long, spring-and-fall shooting schedule in an extremely remote area of Canada made it impossible for him to pursue his first, and still primary, career. No, HOW is not Mad Men by any stretch. I believe the bear did physical damage to his brain (remember the tooth being pulled out? Fundamentally, I just fail to understand the purpose of the past two weeks of Hell on Wheels. I kept waitin’ for a knock on that casket Cullen was sittin’ on … for if a bear couldn’t kill him ……. I adored the character of Elam and how Common played him. All in all, Elam Ferguson was a tremendously frustrating and unsatisfying episode, and I hope this show gets its tempo back next week. After reading your post i believe we also need to include Grant. We both immediately concluded (after wiping our tears) that it was meant mainly as a tribute to Robert Morse. The C&O, completed in 1873, fulfilled a long-held dream of Virginians of a rail link from the James River at Richmond to the Ohio River Valley. I was with you right up until you said that Mad Men was marketed to smart people, while Hell On Wheels was meant for folks who, well … like constant action. He was part of the ensemble cast of AMC's Hell on Wheels, as one of the lead characters, Elam Ferguson, a recently freed slave trying to find his place in the world. Indeed, we don’t feature any show on this site that doesn’t fit our tagline. Just search John Brown and he's the first wiki article (I don't know how to link things), [–]friedlizardwings 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]friedlizardwings 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collis_Potter_Huntington, [–]autowikibot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). In short, they could have kept her. Collis Potter Huntington (October 22, 1821 – August 13, 1900) was one of the Big Four of western railroading (along with Leland Stanford, Mark Hopkins, and Charles Crocker) who built the Central Pacific Railroad as part of the first U.S. transcontinental railroad. He did not understand who … The Season 3 finale of “Hell on Wheels” left off with Common's Elam Ferguson becoming entangled in a … Main article: Season 1 He challenged Elam Ferguson for volunteering the Freedman crew to do double work. I meant to say that MM does not appeal to those who like constant action, while HOW could appeal to them, as well as a number of other groups from the period drama people to the gun enthusiasts and many things in between. Just as Eva said that Elam wasn’t in the coffin, he was equally not in the person who brought slaves to sell in Cheyenne. Mr. Elam has been a seasonal resident of Florida since 1983. And thank you, Mad Men, for one of the most memorable moments in the entire run of the series. It also ushered in … Him and his goons (who I don't like as much) have to be just as mean and tough as the rest. After the war, Grant served as commanding general, implementing Congressional Reconstruction, often at odds with President Andrew Johnson. The “purpose” was to give Cullen that solitary moment to break down, and it was surely beautiful to behold, and yet, the character should have been given that moment elsewhere in the script, while still giving the freed slaves time to say goodbye to one of their own. In the end, however, I think he did realize that there was almost no hope of getting him away safely and shot him for two reasons: 1.) I, too, have a quite varied list of television which I enjoy and not all of it is required to be intellectual. Bohannon himself is based on a General in the Civil War that, afterwards, worked on the railroad as one of Union Pacific's Chief Engineers. I like gourmet AND barbeque, and I like it when barbeque steps up its game. […] of the great things about Hell on Wheels is the way it does its slow scenes. I don’t know if that is the case or not for Common, but it didn’t feel like much of anything else as it was happening. http://www.spreaker.com/user/indyradio/elamferguson .. There’s a part of me that just wants to say, “What was that?”. Most of her back story on the show is pretty true, tattoo and all. Anti-Hero: While Fergurson's plight as a black man in the 1800s is very sympathetic and he has a good sense of morals, he has a tendency to be very selfish and violent. Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time. Mad Men is a gourmet meal filled with odd things that not everyone likes; Hell on Wheels is barbeque and cornbread, it’s got a broader appeal but sometimes you can elevate it without too many people reacting negatively. His confusion over slavery, over who is and is not owned or sold, could have been tied in with his past. Oh, please, don’t misunderstand me. What was all that? I meant to say that HOW does not have as cohesive a fan base as MM because it’s fan base is pulled from such a varied pool. [–]Sanlear 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). Hell on weels goes off Netflix today, where else can i watch it. From there, it was just repetitive and stilted. Listing their character names, Ruth, Ezra, Father Hatch, Naomi, Psalms, Eva, Doc, and two of the Governor’s men have been on the show. There is a very cohesive and active fan base for Hell on Wheels. The crucial difference between Ferguson and other plays on the issue is the basis on witness testimonies. Why spend a week watching him painfully recover from wounds without giving us any insight into what he was thinking, or not thinking, or what the Arapahoe were doing, or not doing? And unlike Mad Men– where their seems to be much more cohesion amongst fans about the best and least-satisfying eps, characters, and plot developments– I am enjoying discussion here and elsewhere about HOW, when opinions can sometimes radically differ. Cullen’s tongue met his. Can we please just go back to building the railroad? Perhaps I’m just giving the whole thing a bit of a pass because my heart broke a little when Cullen yelled “WAKE UP!” To me, that was the most emotional moment. The episode’s title is “Elam Ferguson,” which could mean something pretty bad is about to happen to him. I also think that, in my raw naive perception (in that I’m not a writer), some of the more recent episodes have been an effort to address modern situations, like Star Trek has usually done well. The real people of Hell On Wheels (self.Hell_On_Wheels), submitted 6 years ago * by facepalminghomer. (I had a login but it doesn’t seem to be working so I hope this gets posted.). I knew about Durant and Campbell, but very interesting find about Eva/Olive. I believe, as was done with Morse, that the writers wanted to give the actor a meaty sendoff. That happened here too. Elam did not understand that Cullen, Eva, and Psalms all loved him and wished to help him. Many of you may know that some of the people on Hell On Wheels were actually real people. Remember that he was pitted against Campbell and his men who were dead set on killing Elam. We’re all damaged. Sure, in a perfect world ,where Common didn’t want off the show to devote more time to his music, Elam could have been wrestled to the ground and carted off to a doctor to recuperate, but then wouldn’t we be complaining that the state of 19th century neural medicine was not up to the job of treating holes in the frontal lobe and the accompanying infection? The way Jimmy gets Bohannon and Ferguson out of being burned to death is a real knee-slapper. [–]facepalminghomer[S] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children). We both wish they’d get back to building the railroad and the first season themes of building America and what it means to be an outsider (freed slave, Irishman, post-War Southerner, tattooed whore) in America. I liked that the proof of that was not in Elam’s killing of the Native American (who was threatening), or even in going after the Cavalry, but in the killing of a no longer needed (because the railroad continues west) but vastly entertaining character in Jimmy Two/Three Squaws. I can't get the word MILF out of my head when I see Eva's chin. Campbell is nothing but a prop to let the whole mess play out, and Cullen could have shot him halfway through if that was his intention. The new railroad facilities adjacent to the river there resulted in expansion of the former small town of Guyandotte, West Virginia into part of a new city which was named Huntington in his honor. ("Searchers") Psalms was once a slave and was worked very hard by his master. I liked giving this major character the time he deserved for his exit. If we are left to stew in our own frustration, aware that some of this drama is just running down the clock, it’s much harder to care about what’s happening. I posted something like this here a few weeks ago. Now we’re expected to grieve for him as he behaves monstrously and mindlessly. It was much more about the people affected by Elam; people he did not recognize. I’m mixed on whether knowing his mind during the healing would have helped or hindered. I’ve complained in the past that the show drags things out beyond all reason, but when it’s on its game, Hell on Wheels […]. I know that not everyone here watched or loved “Deadwood” but Campbell is no Al Swerengen, or George Hearst for that matter. She wasn't a whore, though (allegedly) and she wasn't as good looking. See more ideas about hell on wheels, anson mount, anson. He did not want Campbell’s men to be the ones to shoot him. As you pointed out last week, killing Jimmy Two Squaws showed how far gone Elam was. But he was the person who seemed to bring out Elam, the man who had brought him out of his new identity, the one without a conscience and only an instinct to kill and conquer. Ferguson is one of many dramas that have popped up recently about Michael Brown, such as Antigone in Ferguson which was recently at the Hopkins Center. With Anson Mount, Colm Meaney, Common, Robin McLeavy. Dirigentin mentioned the brouhaha on FB about the near constant whining over the death of Lily; wanting Joseph to come back runs a close second. This episode screamed, “I want out of my contract!” That’s about all I could take from it. and join one of thousands of communities. As for the lone burial – I agree with many others – I didn’t get that. ; Badass Preacher: Not an official Preacher, but he served as one in his youth. He did not understand who he was or where he was or what year it was. Deborah is right that some of the scenes in “Elam Ferguson” were more disjointed and pointless than necessary. Bear Killer (Elam) returns to Cheyenne trying to sell the female slaves he has. I don't think he is a bad person, just a man in a dangerous place trying to bring order. I sure didn’t. I’m with you 100% on Campbell and love the description of him sucking the air out of a scene. In that way, Elam Ferguson was entirely absent from the episode that bore his name. Someone on the FB invoked this ancient Irish ritual, and it makes complete sense to me. The missing guy who killed Bohanans family. Anyway, thought some of you might find it interesting. Can these people be saved from themselves? Nice discussion! Or not. Mad Men is marketed to smart people who don’t require constant action and are able to pick up subtleties fairly easily while Hell on Wheels is marketed as a Western and thus brings in a pretty broad cross section of viewers. Because deep down he did finally realize that Elam was too physically damaged to be helped (I mean that man was screwed up – the more he spoke the more screwed up you realized he was) and 2.) He has abandoned most of what made him Elam in the first place, and as a result of the injuries he suffered in the attack, bought into the notion that he has been … Finally, there’s no rational reason to leave Cullen to bury him alone. I always wondered if bohannon was based on someone. Last Saturday's November 15, 2014 episode of the AMC western drama Hell on Wheels had to have had everyone watching in suspense. Mad Men, Downton Abbey, The Walking Dead, Hell on Wheels & more. He is the former Chief of Railroad Police and friend to Cullen Bohannon. 1 Biography 1.1 Background information 1.2 Season 1 1.3 Season 3 2 Appearances Psalms' mother named her son after a particular Psalm in the Bible. It was unlike anything that had ever been on the show before, and not even necessarily something that could (to me) be plausibly explained in context as being Don’s hallucination, given his state of mind after recent personal and professional crises. You'll find that most of the events that co-inspired in Bohannon's story line link up with Casement's. We’ve had a few great episodes this season, but no real consistency. Cullen was his friend and when a friend needs help – even if that help is to put an end to them for their own good – it ought to be a friend doing it out of mercy/love/et al and not the gang that was waiting for him. Nice! Cullen will try to reach Elam, which doesn’t work, so Eva will try, which doesn’t work, so Cullen will try again and Eva will try again, and meanwhile Louise will ask Campbell to intervene again, which he both will and won’t do, and Psalms will try, and then Cullen will try, and meanwhile there will be many, many attempts at an auction and also, his name is Bear Killer, not Elam. Everyone moaned at the end of last season when Elam appeared to have been involved in a murder/suicide with the bear. I agree. I’m a varied pool myself; I grew up watching “Upstairs/Downstairs” AND “Charlie’s Angels”. Hell on Wheels episode 4.07, Elam Ferguson, focused on Elam, but not really. -- michael She is bout it! Hell on Wheels episode 4.07, Elam Ferguson, focused on Elam, but not really. Interesting: John S. Case | Battle of Wilmington | American Civil War | Casement (surname), Parent commenter can toggle NSFW or delete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant, [–]autowikibot 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children). You may recognize her as a working girl and eventual proprietor of the central brothel from Hell On Wheels. Both the content and the context would have worked in half the space—better, in fact. The population of the US is 329,784,700 people (estimated 2019). If yes, at what cost? I wanted him to stay in some capacity, but knew in my heart he wouldn’t. He works on a ‘cut crew’, the crew who prepares the ground for the laying of railroad track. Is the Grant that Bohannon met & Campbell takes orders from Ulysses S. Grant? I think you’re very right about the cohesiveness of MM fans and the total lack of it in HOW fans, although it’s not really surprising. However, it was not until 1869. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Campbell. “What was that?”. Firstly I think the depth, in modern terms at least, of Elam’s wounds were far graver than PTSD. Elam Ferguson, played by rapper and actor Common, was killed off in episode 7 after reportedly asking the producers and writers to write him off the series in 2013. People with the same last name and sometimes even full name can become a real headache to search — for example, Lisa Ferguson is found in our records 878 times. Durant seeks revenge for his attack. Twice elected president, Grant led the Radical Republicans in their effort to remove the vestiges of Confederate nationalism and slavery, protect African-American citizenship, and defeat the Ku Klux Klan. Stephanie Elam in Ferguson, Missouri, we're going to take another quick break. It tends to use Twitter (interacting with many of the actors, writers and John Wirth the showrunner) as well as four or five Facebook groups that have actors and production people included… sharing set photos etc. Professor Spouse, whose field is history, enjoys watching HOW with me. Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed ), memorial page for Martha Beulah Ferguson Elam (22 Feb 1906–6 Mar 1986), Find a Grave Memorial no. I suggest he was grieving his son, wife, Lily, his decision to go to war, his decision to protect the railroad over Lily, his regret over lying to Elam about freeing the slaves, his regret that Elam had to endure being a slave and finally his regret over not being able to save his friend. Bohannon is a composite character loosely based on a few of the real people in similar positions that worked on the Transcontinental Railroad. I think that he wanted to get Elam away specifically to try and work his broken mind back into something resembling the former man. Elam Ferguson was a recently freed slave and exoduster who found work with the Union Pacific Railroad. Lexie, welcome to this brilliant and fun site– and your comments are exactly fitting for the kind of discourse I read here! I knew Durant is based on a real person, but didn't know about Eva and Bohannon until now. Campbell won’t help or intervene, but he will, but he won’t. You can find it here: https://www.facebook.com/TalkingHellOnWheels And you don’t sound “corn pone”; I understand slipping into the language and style of a show (or book, my syntax changes entirely if I’ve been reading English novels). People with the same last name and sometimes even full name can become a real headache to search — for example, Johnnie Williams is found in our records 1,069 times. Gov Campbell was the real first governor of Wyoming. [–]thethinker247 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (4 children). Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Halfway through its fourth season, the post-Civil War-set show killed off one of its most beloved and original characters tonight with the death of Elam Ferguson, played by Common. I suppose it’s difficult to express an aesthetic judgement without maybe condemning other people’s tastes, be they the sophisticated subtleties of Mad Men, or the grim n’ gritty violence of Hell On Wheels. Tell Bear Killah he’s actually Elam Ferguson a handful of times, mark him hopeless, shoot him dead. There is also a podcast call Talking Hell that is featuring many of the cast members. How to Search and Find Bruce Elam. Rendered by PID 6025 on r2-app-029c1ba1ddcc259b7 at 2021-02-19 12:01:25.417417+00:00 running 8d94f57 country code: US. No one’s behavior makes much sense. Don't know if the preacher is necessarily, but he does mention riding with John Brown and Bleeding Kansas. [–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children). Hell on Wheels S04E07: "Elam Ferguson" For as much of a problem as I had with Elam's return last week, I'm willing to forgive most of my gripes after the solid, emotional "Elam Ferguson." My comments here sometimes sound “corn pone” — the actress in me too easily slips into a character — but I do enjoy stretching my mind by playing with different intellectual and emotional styles, ideas, and tastes. While I do enjoy hearing a different perspective, and I don’t think you meant to come across as disdainful in your comparison, I’d like to say that I enjoy both series tremendously. And this all happens in this current season 4! Hell, not even most of it. Surely Psalms and his crew would have wished to accompany him, to pray for Elam and say their goodbyes. i wonder if the preacher is based on a real person? Even if it’s merely mercy, in the end. He bears many scars from whippings on his back. And then, why spend a second episode acting out a dozen or more attempts to reach him, before reverting to the notion that he’s unreachable, that he’s dead to the world, and then kill him? Firstly, as already mentioned, a great love for Elam. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: A subreddit for the AMC series Hell on Wheels. And I think it’s brilliant and thought-provoking that the entire arc was centered around how some events are so traumatic that when the “thinking” part of our brain is subverted somehow, that deep trauma is all that remains, sometimes. We’ve also got mass shootings instigated from those who, for whatever reason, have “split from the program”. Sorry to have gone on so, I just love the conversation here and don’t want to start out on the wrong foot. She sported a distinctive facial tattoo that she received while a prisoner of some Native Americans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Casement. They each have their own version of scheming, ruthless characters. (Well, but that certainly might have been the case with Mad Men had not that show’s all-powerful God, Matthew Weiner, drawn a line in the concrete from which he would not budge. Elam Ferguson, played by rapper and actor Common, was killed off in episode 7 after reportedly asking the producers and writers to write him off the series in 2013. He created the financial structure that led to the Crédit Mobilier scandal.. Most of her back story on the show is pretty true, tattoo and all. In which Ruth Cole has a grand plan for the greater good of the community, and Cullen Bohannon regrets his decision to open a suspicious package, and Elam Ferguson gets dragged along for the ride because somebody needs to save Bohannon's ass during stupid situations like this. It was much more about the people affected by Elam; people he did not recognize. He was a 33rd Degree Mason and Past Grand Master of Kentucky, and he was a member and elder of West Liberty Christian Church. On their second show, they were knocked off their chairs when Anson Mount called in to say hey. The whole thing was inelegant and repetitive, almost a master class in poor timing. I say all this respectfully, and enjoyed your comments. It was magnificent. Like everyone, I’m ready to get back to building the railroad but I didn’t mind a little detour for Elam. the dates line up. We never truly knew what Elam, or “Bear Killer,” was thinking or feeling, so why show so much of what happened to him? Elam Ferguson, played by rapper and actor Common, was killed off in episode 7 after reportedly asking the producers and writers to write him off the series in 2013. At this point, I like that the first directive seems to be surfacing the most as this season rolls along. I’m glad somebody explained the wailing ending by Cullen, however, as I was left thinking “that actor does not know how to weep/moan/cry/whatever” and I was put off by it. I'm so embarrassed. Ulysses S. Grant (born Hiram Ulysses Grant; April 27, 1822 – July 23, 1885) was the 18th President of the United States (1869–1877). REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 6025 on r2-app-029c1ba1ddcc259b7 at 2021-02-19 12:01:25.417417+00:00 running 8d94f57 country code: US. [–]MrGuttFeeling 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). I enjoyed reading this. Thanks for posting that! All of this is secondary, however, to the two primary things I believe the final episode was trying to show. We’ve got our share of vets coming back from war very disconnected (high suicide rate). Given the brouhaha on FB in that fans still miss the character of Lily (for whatever reason), I think they were determined to draw this out to make sure that nobody missed the point that the character was that far gone, and was on his way out — it was simply a matter of how it was going to go down. Secondly and shortly after that in episode 10, the young boy Ezra dies. Eva Toole’s story and facial tattoo are based on a real person named Olive Ann Oatman. Then now a mere two episodes after that, Ruth dies. We looked at each other with an little half-laugh– “WTF?”– but in the next seconds, we became so entranced by the beauty and genius of that scene all by itself. John Stephen "Jack" Casement (January 1, 1829 – December 13, 1909) was a general and brigade commander in the Union Army during the American Civil War and a noted railroad contractor. -- Tish Thank you Stephanie Elam for being the sole un-biased CNN reporter in Ferguson & I wish more were like you. Only compassion will save any of us from others of us. Sorry, got off the HOW topic (wipes another tear.) Instead, we’re left to muddle through his lunacy. There was an extensive show after Saturday’s episode with Don Norwood who plays Psalms. First known as a rapper who became one of the more prominent voices in hip-hop's new millennium renaissance, Common later transitioned into acting. In 2013, Common played the role of Agent Evans, an FBI agent in Now You See Me along with Mark Ruffalo, Jesse Eisenberg, Woody Harrelson, Isla Fisher, and Dave Franco. When Talking Hell started last summer, it was just two guys who love the show wanting to talk about it with others. I hope it’s not meant disdainfully, soonerblue, as I’m happy to write (intelligently, I hope) about both shows. At the time of viewing, I thought that the drawn-out corral scene might reflect the actual confusion and panic of how such a scene might play out in real life. https://www.facebook.com/TalkingHellOnWheels, http://www.spreaker.com/user/indyradio/elamferguson, Hell on Wheels 4.12: Thirteen Steps » Basket of Kisses. He directed the constructional phase of the Transcontinental Railroad, which linked the Western United States with the East. [–]Xtremeskierbfs 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (4 children), Please tell me that Jimmy two squaws was real..... please please please, [–]youngsteezy 23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (1 child), [–]ApplesnPie 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]facepalminghomer[S] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]Cullen396 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (4 children). Would I have liked for him to exit in a different way? That wailing came from somewhere very deep and Anson needed to show that. Much of the audience is different (as you allude to in your comments, Lexie– there’s quite the fandom on FB, and a lot of comments are well into SMHx3 territory). He’s a bad guy, no doubt, but he doesn’t inspire strong emotion at all. There’s no auteur with a driving vision, for one. I thought he was fighting hard to try and save Elam’s life. And they really do with this show. I don’t believe this was readily apparent to most who encountered him, despite how we might see it as obvious these days. Why not, then, bring him to a doctor to work on the stab wound while still trying to reach his mind? What was showing us the loss of his mind, without ever giving it any interiority? I back that with Cullen’s call to “Wake up!” and his reference to war trauma in a more PTSD manner. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen Elam on the show; a long time since we’ve been given an opportunity to like or care about him. or search iTunes for Talking Hell. I didn’t mean that intellectual people couldn’t or wouldn’t like HOW, only that non-intellectuals were unlikely to enjoy MM. Or maybe the wine hit too hard this evening…. The juxtapostion of Elam trying to sell slaves and, at the same time, thinking that he was still a slave himself was tragic. But it was right to be Elam Ferguson. To enslave. Flashbacks could have been used to show some connections—both to his past as a slave and his more recent relationships with the rest of the Hell on Wheels characters. It was easier to be that, to be the Bear Killer. About her Husband James W. Elam James W. Elam, 92, died September 30, 2016, in Stuart, Florida. Sometimes they stick to their stories, sometimes not. General Trimble, my Great-Great Grandfather's commanding officer (15th Alabama), was also a railroad man both before and after the war.

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