A 2hour scheduled trip to go 50 miles is not fast. Sound Transit doesn’t bother with the mall. Conclusion: dont spends billions on transit to malls. Could East Link have turned west instead of going through the Spring District and on to Redmond. Everything is already there, including the stations. It doesn’t need any more track than what it already has. I’m thinking of the buses they ran to stadiums from P&R lots that got nixed because they weren’t allowed to provide the service if a private company wanted to. The streetcar is fine. They know University Place, Fircrest, Fife, etc but those are all separate cities. But you still wouldn’t get that many riders. @Glenn, you’d trade Pt Ruston for Lakewood, a city of 60,000 people? Yes, sometimes the ST route number indicates which highway it’s serving, like the 522. Magnolia) have much better service than this. I thought they were west. Really, if you don’t want to pay then everyone, including mother earth, is better off if it just doesn’t happen. Stated starkly, the key word in the phrase “captive audience” is “captive”. But wait, you said the DMUs would run off peak. In fact, it’s one of the best states for it because they allow not only NSF certified composting toilets, but HOMEMADE composting toilets made to specifications found in the book The Composting Toilet System Book. Is anyone else having companies that are discouraging or prohibiting transit? And the central downtown station is called Westlake instead of Center or Midtown or something, as if there’s an equally-important Eastlake station somewhere. What was crazy was to expect them to fund a subway for the area. Will they still remain strong on these, or will they prefer lower taxes instead? Except if the light rail goes to the mall, it won’t even connect to downtown Tacoma! Read more here. Read more here. It’s just difficult to serve with freeway express buses (as Ross points out). And since it was added to the bus route number I assume that some of the 574 routes don’t go to Westwood. If you only have to come in to the “office” 1-3 days a week (or never) it’s a lot more attractive. Trains don’t, partly because there isnt a lot of storage space on transit. it’s their cars that necessitate the big garage and access lanes in the first place. I’ve been there on business and it’s like parking in DT Enumclaw. It’s all about image (rather than convenience)! Commuter Rail, of course would be part of this statewide agency, as would higher speed rail (since they overlap). They belong here. Exactly! It’s merely a colossal waste of money. Metro’s definition of express is “skipping at least one bus stop”. Part of this was the high tax rates in New York City, but I think the motivation was the pandemic. I wonder if there has been any consideration of supplying freight to JBLM. Imagine how terrible it would be to buy a piece of beautiful property, build your beautiful off-grid home, and then have some people buy the uphill land and start basically sending their poop into your garden. And any new small-lot houses in this day and age would have to be at least duplexes or row houses to meaningfully reflect the population size. All your advocating for is 3rd line to connect what is already connected. It’s Metro’s decision; ST has little to do with it. So your company may be an outlier. The fact that ST hasn’t already eliminated the time wasting downtown bus loop shows that they consider the Tacoma Link nothing more than a cute little toy and not a serious part of our transit system. They’re probably just watching us and laughing. What? The fact that it doesn’t go to Seattle doesn’t really matter to riders who are heading to Tacoma. The bus Al suggested would get more riders than all of those express runs combined, at a far lower cost. The bypass trackage would connect to the outer loop track of the Forest Street Maintenance Facility which has a flying junction to enter and exit to and from the north. It is not quick. 4) Build the Duwamish Line as described by Seattle Subway. But better fare recovery requires that the expense of generating this ridership is less than the extra revenue. AJ, you are absolutely correct. with a new loop through downtown Tacoma, this would allow riders of route 592 to make the trip to downtown Tacoma even without the stop at Tacoma Dome Station. I hasn’t been studied and I think a good case could be made to study it. First Hill was never must-serve as I said, ”. The state offers incentives for installing solar and there is net metering for grid-tied solar systems. Exclusive lanes, fewer level crossings, more signal priority, longer trains. On nice days when you woild most want to head to Ruston or Pt. I have not heard of one person’s owner-built home falling in on them or people getting sick from having an outhouse or using their gray water on plants. If the bus really was as bad as you suggest, it would be a faster option for many. Found insideTheir rivalry reaches a boil over the building of a bridge across the Cuyahoga River—and Big stumbles right into the kettle. (See Motion 2021-25. Broken Mary is Matthews' story of his early years in radio and stand-up comedy, his successful career, his struggle with MS, his awakening to the dignity of women, and, importantly, his chance encounter with a broken statue of Mary left ... However, there are laws that allow individuals or groups to install their own “microgrid” and thus qualify as their own utility. That is followed by Kent, Federal Way, and SeaTac itself. But Tacoma is simply too far away from Seattle to do well in that regard. Composting toilets and pit privies are legal in Montana but are highly regulated. Metro would do service a bigger favor by simply canceling route 542 completely and assigning those operators to maintain full service on the other routes. There are plenty of places that don’t do inspections or enforce building codes. Once again, you are ignoring the available data. They will probably truncate everything at Lynnwood when the train gets that far, but who knows. People from south of Tacoma use the freeway to get to Tacoma. But back to the starter line. That fulfills some of the lines envisioned, but there were also other separate lines or at least branches. Lots of apartments, and lots of potential for more. At least ST is trying to address it with more frequent ST Express service, after decades of doing nothing. Arrg, this should have been a reply to Mike Orr and Al.S up above. Many people living off-grid or in rural areas in Nevada have wells. At the same time I do know there are loads of office space for sublease in downtown Seattle, and as the underlying leases expire I expect much of the space to remain unleased. Puyallup and Kent have over 1,500. Rainwater harvesting in Idaho is legal so long as it was captured from a rooftop system and has not entered a natural waterway. A NG plant that would have exported raw material for plastic productions was on. Link will no doubt get a lot more, but it is unrealistic to expect that number to increase tenfold. I do agree that the old cities of the Northern Midwest are uniquely suited to provide summer homes for people living in the humid Sunbelt, especially those on the Great Lakes. between Tukwila and Rainier Beach. Federal Way? The vast majority of Tacoma employees coming from the north are driving. Unfortunately, the quality of transfers is not a discussion in the TDLE. They way they want to do this is very straightforward: introduce service on route 590 during off-peak hours (currently peak-only), and stick route 590 trips in between every route 594 trip, which would double service frequency from downtown Tacoma to downtown Seattle. It was important politically that Tacoma got some rail early (I don’t think people realized how successful Sounder South would be), and it doe have value over a bus (economic development and place-making, cultural acceptance and ease of navigability for infrequent riders, etc.). The numbers were remarkably similar, although Lakewood dropped a bit (being passed by University City). DT Tacoma has had it’s shot… many times. I agree that a fixed route with a small bus would be much better. The area is industrial, so while an auto-repair store may be replaced with retail, you are still going to have big trucks and everything you would expect next to a major industrial area. Overall (counting bus buses and Sounder), only about 4,000 riders ride from Tacoma to Seattle every weekday. 3. Although that would get complicated with freight traffic it would avoid I believe the worst of the mudslide closures. The Subaru EJ204 was a 2.0-litre horizontally-opposed (or 'boxer') four-cylinder petrol engine with double overhead camshafts. So are Tacoma and Everett, and really much of Seattle. Unfortunately, folks in Lakewood pay the price. Yeah, theoretically they could have figured all of this out from the beginning, looked at what works and doesn’t work in other cities (or hired consultants to tell them that) and built a more centric, traditional system. Also, anyone who whines about the slow pace of ST LR construction should take a long hard look at the I-5/SR16 interchange project. What’s more, Sound Transit also would add stops on the Seattle side, moving the route off of the Seneca Street off-ramp (which takes passengers to the middle of downtown Seattle quickly) and onto the SODO busway, just like with routes 590 and 594. Rainwater harvesting is legal in Oregon. Ridership time would be better. See if it generates any ridership. I don’t know what other coverage it could provide that wouldn’t be duplicating other bus service. 860-250-1522 Idiotypic induction of anesthesia versus regional nerve block on a spur. Interestingly, PT came to the same conclusion when it came to expanding Pacific ave’s transit capacity. The route through Rainier Valley all but eliminates the likelihood that people will use it to commute to Seattle. If I had the misfortune of working in Seattle and living in Tacoma I would definitely take transit. I assume this discussion is because UW Tacoma branch campus is flouted as being such a game changer. It is so cheap to build that it would be a crime to let it slip away from negligence. As for the 594, it performs a lot better, but mainly because of riders to Tacoma. The strongest argument for a streetcar is that it changes the dynamic of the city. (It won’t because there are other priorities.) That is the way they work. In the long run the key will be ridership on Link because that will determine success or failure, which will depend on fare costs, convenience (including transfers and first/last access), time of trip, and peak congestion with working from home. But neither of these drop off points is anywhere near as elegant as Tacoma Link which is surface running on congestion free ROW. And First Hill was part of the downtown urban growth center which was already served by the Third Avenue stations. “Is the goal to enhance the quality of existing trips, or to create new trips?”. If Angle Lake Station ends up becoming mostly empty once Federal Way station opens, opening up the Angle Lake Station garage to paid long-term airport parking would be a great revenue-generating way to fill it up. It is legal to harvest rainwater in Iowa. PT would benefit by reallocating its bus hours elsewhere, with a massive increase in overall bus hours deployed in Pierce. So it’s a good place to transfer because a large percent of riders are going there anyway. That’s even more pronounced with people who don’t usually use transit. But also the future. Bus riders aren’t going to take it as long as the 509/594 continue to downtown Tacoma, because it adds several minutes to wait for it and transfer, potentially 12 minutes to wait for TLink and 30 minutes if you just miss the 594 transfer. Rainwater harvesting is legal in Tennessee. Many of those port jobs pay really well. When Big Ten stalwart Michigan visits Rentschler this season, 2,000 temporary seats will be added. Whether it would have an impact on transit is not the issue, especially since transit is such a minor factor in whether a city is a success or not, especially compared to education. Holy cow, the debate here is whether ST will continue to run the extremely popular, but very expensive buses, or truncate them to save money. Oh, and there is a big undeveloped section to boot. Also when Federal Way Link opens will all buses from Tacoma/Lakewood truncate at Federal Way, even though as Ross notes Link is slower than buses, probably cars, and Sounder, and will now include an extra transfer? Run those buses every ten minutes, all-day long, and you’ve got a very nice network. You can centrally locate stations so they have a wide enough walk shed. But you can bet your ass that lots of riders would much rather the Sounder Train have a couple more stops in downtown. Standard stop spacing would make sense for a route like that, and anything less would be a waste. The argument I’m making is independent of other modes. Tacoma Mall actually is a place. Building Link to where people want to go is what will generate ridership. You’ll have to do a lot of research to find out what the Certificate of Occupancy requirements are. On the Eastside, they could offer an express version of the 535 that skips right-side stops and a local version that doesn’t. Worth noting: the hope is that there will be some TOD by these various transit stations. Dude but none of those routes will stop running downtown. The Freighthouse Square combined Sounder & Amtrak station looks good to me. Baltimore is twice as big as Tacoma, and way more dense. Personal trainer on the tab. Does anyone have any ridership data on how many take this bus from Lakewood all the way to Seattle? If the streetcar isn’t good enough and never will be good enough for a forced transfer, why did they spend all that money building it in the first place?”. This is where the riders are coming from, not further south. We are currently working on a more detailed page of laws for each state (Missouri is not done yet). Downtown Tacoma is not very far from the dome. They also serve other places to the south (downtown Tacoma, SR 512, etc.). Also, if a BAR station as now planned is built, only trains taking the existing Rainier Valley route would serve the new station. $75. That said, it’s often baffled me how Downtown Tacoma transit service is made so problematic by the awkward siting of Tacoma Dome for bus service. https://kingcounty.gov/depts/executive/performance-strategy-budget/regional-planning/GMPC/MeetingInfo.aspx. Indiana laws are not favorable to composting toilets or other off-grid waste disposal methods. I can totally see how this would be a seasonal route plus maybe a couple of weeks either side of Xmas. Which again, is downtown Tacoma, not the Tacoma Dome! This fifth volume of Biographical Dictionary of American Sports is a supplement to the previous four volumes offering entries on 620 distinguished American sports personalities. And free parking for the foreseeable future in Tacoma which is a 40 minute drive on a Saturday morning. Engineering challenges not withstanding, it is a travesty. It’s like people think this is the U Dist. See detailed North Carolina Off Grid Laws. the Tacoma Dome is nowhere near downtown Tacoma. The first are buses that could easily be replaced by Metro. But also good for Tacoma. You don’t finance operations with long term bonds. That is the case with the streetcars in Seattle and Tacoma (and most of North America). I think it would help the case for the Mall if Tacoma made some real effort to show they are serious about that area being more like Totem Lake than Northgate or Alderwood. It is also extremely expensive*. Buses do a better job between downtown Tacoma and the Dome because they can continue to neighborhoods where people live. Only 2 tickets left at lowest price. There are some nice old apartment buildings, and plenty of parking lots that could be converted to new ones. The state funds the freeways based on the assumption that people from all over benefit from them. Anyone who is making a 4 hr RT trip on the 592 to go just 50 miles isn’t picking it because it is fast, they are picking it because they have no other options. But Rainier Valley makes it pretty much unusable to get to downtown. In northern Idaho, i.e.. Kootenai county codes are draconian whereas Boundary county is lax. From Tacoma you can take express buses to downtown Seattle, or ride a very comfortable commuter train. But it’s no use banging our heads against the wall when the politicians aren’t interested in it, and it’s not essential like the downtown-UDistrict-Northgate axis or the downtown-Rainier Valley axis, which allow the bulk of residents to get around easier. I love Tacoma; it just doesn’t need Link into DT and I don’t think the $3.3B price tag just from Federal Way to Tacoma Dome Station is remotely worth it. To get as many people as it does is quite good — it just isn’t enough to justify skipping Tacoma (which has way more people headed to Seattle). However, it can only be harvested from an artificial, impervious surface like a rooftop. If it grew into what Rainier Valley has now, it might pay for itself. The same is true with the Northgate Link extension. All over the system we truncate routes and expect riders to transfer – why would that principle not apply to Dupont during the hours that Sounder runs? The parking reservation system is defined as the automated reservation system which provides ID-based parking slots. I have always agreed with Ross that Link spent too much trying to tie together “dense” population centers like Everett, Tacoma, Redmond and Seattle (which really hurt N. King Co. under the lines drawn for subareas), but ended up with poor coverage once you get to those cities. One no-brainer, easy way to fill it up and make a few bucks is to allow paid long-term parking there for people going to the airport. Wells must be registered with the Nebraska Department of Water Resources and meet construction standards. Near Hopkintown. There are more middle-class riders now but it still seems skewed toward the poor more than Metro or CT or ST. ST doesn’t seem to serve the county hardly at all, since Tacoma Dome is just at the edge of the county’s population, and in the middle of nowhere. Some counties may require you to be hooked up to the municipal water though. There are some long distance workers, not that many people go to Bellevue, and hardly anyone goes to Redmond (the numbers are similar to those going to Olympia or Kitsap County, respectively). Ross mentioned that ST was considering extending the 574 up there in order to replace the 560 when it’s replaced by STRide South. Today, the 600’s is still used as internal numbering for some services that are branded without numbering, such as RapidRide and Trailhead Direct. What this change does is add utility by adding a stop, and by standardizing the routes to give riders more choices. If the 592 buses were full, this wouldn’t work — but they’re not. Does Nalley Valley go that far south? They have malls in other suburbs.”. A classic example is Detroit, although there are other examples in the Rust Belt. After a few years the 540 was truncated at Westwood Village due to low ridership in West Seattle. All the lip service about equity and diversity by ST rings very hollow to me (more frankly it makes me want to barf) until ST steps up to the neglect of Harborview issue. Instead, ST currently plans to build the two lines to connect on different levels and a few hundred feet apart. Because our new streetcar networks are the kind Europe stopped building a century ago! Other times they eliminated a level crossing or gave it a bypass route so that it wouldn’t get caught in traffic. To be clear, any extension past Federal Way is likely to be a very bad value. I’m surprised there isn’t bus coverage for the waterfront. U-District Station will end up going online 15 years later than promised under Sound Move. Johnny U is the first authoritative biography of Unitas, based on hundreds of hours of interviews with teammates and opponents, coaches, family and friends. Maybe that just applies to bus service. I am deeply skeptical of the value of streetcars, and I do not support the Tacoma Dome Link Extension project. It’s not a car sewer. Changing filters from MERV11 to MERV13 or better is one thing that is commonly done. Good thing we finally got scooter shares back for that first/last mile we desperately lack. Of course, there doesn’t appear to be an obvious stakeholder or advocate to change that here. Infrequent riders are a wider universe and are important for general political support for both ongoing operating subsidies and occasional capital projects. As a result, Arkansas state is very popular for off-grid living, homesteading, and tiny houses. “Bake (DeAndre Baker) he had surgery,” Reid said. There is no way you can walk to 90% of Tacoma in 15 minutes from the Tacoma Dome Station or the mall. We’ve already covered several states (Texas, Oregon, Virginia…). Seems more likely that the driver was headed back to base and forgot to change the sign. This is also reflected in the ridership numbers. You would gain a few (people going from say, Tacoma to Rainier Valley) but my guess more will just abandon transit, especially in the middle of the day (when the buses used to be fast, and will soon be relatively frequent). Arizona is one of the worst states for off-grid solar. Maine is also a very progressive state in regards to off-grid living and gives many incentives like rebates to homes using alternative clean energy. Muni Metro is slow. The success of central Tacoma is now self-evident. The way you word this makes me believe that individually there is a place “outside of Tacoma” that exceeds both Seattle & Federal Way. Permits are required and specific rules must be followed. I’ve been getting alerts of a significant number of trip cancellations every day of East Base/Bellevue Base trips. There may be some limitations to using rainwater for anything other than home use. “Now, going to the airport if you can save someone an hour or more dropping you off and coming back to pick you up, or you are looking at paying for parking at SEA then hell ya the train starts to look good. I’ve been stuck in traffic on that Nisqually to Fife section of I-5 on Saturday mornings, when every other Highway in the state is showing up as all clear. Some are undoubtedly airport workers. Maybe, but that’s just silly. For mall fans, there is also a failure to consider the substantial physical challenges of actually delivering rails to the mall. Basically, what you are asking for is a repeat of Tacoma Link, only with even less within walking distance of the line, and built far more expensively. 15 minutes weekday rush hour Some have predicted that ridership per mile will actually go *down* as the train goes further out. Build an underground station in the heart of downtown Tacoma, while leveraging the miles and miles of existing tracks. They’ve run simulations of rooms and within 3-4 hours one person can make an entire room infectious. It doesn’t make sense to take the train to the Tacoma Mall from Federal Way — there are malls much closer (and people tend to drive to malls, anyway). Check Google — it doesn’t take that long to drive in the regular lanes, it sure as hell doesn’t take that long in the HOV lanes. It will be easier in rural areas where there aren’t any existing utilities. LAZ Parking is a parking management service provider that was founded in 1981 by three childhood friends. It even has dates on there. Prize-winning study traces the rise of the vector concept from the discovery of complex numbers through the systems of hypercomplex numbers to the final acceptance around 1910 of the modern system of vector analysis. Seattle’s Link stations and bus stops are in the middle of the hill, whereas a Pacific Ave station would be at the bottom of the hill. However, with twice as many buses going to Tacoma, Sound Transit can serve Tacoma Dome Station with both routes, but send the 590 up Pacific Ave to downtown Tacoma and send the 594 directly to Lakewood from there, without going up Pacific Ave and down I-705. If the goal is to serve an area based on the assumption that it will never grow, then serving the mall is stupid, while serving downtown Tacoma is reasonable. Most of downtown is north of that in mixed traffic. The biggest weakness with the line south of downtown is the lack of destinations. Rainwater harvesting is legal in New Hampshire and even encouraged by the state. Heck, ST could even use some of the parking revenue to run a special parking shuttle after Link stops running. I’m sure plenty of airport workers [park by the Tacoma Dome]. Link has a travel-time disadvantage off-peak, with the 577 taking 39 minutes Westlake-FW at noon, and the 594 taking 63 minutes Westlake-TD. Apparently ST doesn’t want to touch the Tacoma Link Line T track or platform. TicketCity has tickets available to buy for all dates listed here on the schedule. Yeah I sometimes wonder if ST should have an all-day DMU shuttling back and forth on the tracks that I think it owns between Tacoma Dome and JBLM. Last I checked, self-made composting toilets like the Jenkins (sawdust) model are legal according to the state, but counties can prohibit them. That makes no sense. Most of the people who work in Tacoma live in Tacoma. Noon: No: LAZ Parking: Pioneer HS - Car (Preferred Auto) $85, Season Pass: $565: Pioneer High School: Main St. 6 a.m. We are spending lots of money, but not on that. A privy will only be considered for remote areas not served by a piped water source.”  Thus, you will likely need to install a septic system if you want to live off-grid in Missouri. It’s possible that in Scenario B, “more people benefit” from transit. Given the relatively short time it takes to serve Federal Way, I’m surprised they don’t get rid of the 577, and replace it with a new 594 that stops in Federal Way. The buses are more frequent, and go through downtown Seattle. It is the second most popular bus route within the Pierce Transit system. Driving takes about 45 minutes. Do you find it pleasant to wait at Tacoma Dome for the 594 or 4xx or 5xx or other routes that stop there? That’s the conundrum. At the T Dome it’s double track. Airport Way is underused. Some examples? So here in 2021 it’s more than appropriate to point out how current funding referendums creating projects built avoiding low-income areas and destinations often work against equity. Seriously, who do you think is going to take Link to the mall? That means they will close the main nordy anchor, almost certainly. Of course, Pierce County always has difficulty with transit funding, as it seems to have the most anti-tax sentiment of the three counties, especially southeast Pierce and Spanaway. The 592 only runs during peak and only peak direction, which means that there will be congestion on the main roadway way more often than not. If it had really wanted light rail for Everett to Tacoma, it should have designed the minimum specs for 70+ mph instead of 55. The South King/Pierce trains would turn away just short of the station. That didn’t work out so well and left WSDOT in the boat business. Despite this, there still seem to be some communities living completely off-grid in Nevada. Off-grid electric in Delaware is legal and is even encouraged in some areas. Or there may be a loophole for “Accessory Dwelling Units” on land with an existing permanent residence. 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